Traditional Archery Gear – Quiver Styles and More

Source: Stick & String Adventures Podcast – Episode 28 – Archers Roundtable

The Continuing Conversation between

Ned Miller – Well let’s do some definitions here. We’re throwing out a lot of different words here, especially for a new archer. Jason, if you could go into the different style of quivers that are out there. Things they can look for when they’re on the internet looking around. So when we say, “Side Quiver” or “Pocket Quiver” or “Back Quiver”, what exactly are we talking about. If you could just run through a couple definitions.

The Pursuit Back Quiver

Jason Albert – Ok… A Back Quiver is basically a quiver that you toss on your back. They have the dual shoulder back quivers.  Those are the quivers that sit right in the middle of your back. They have the single shoulder strap quivers that you just toss over your shoulder. These quivers lean to one side or the other. And of course there are a hundred different styles to go with those.  They’ve got your hip quivers.  The hip quiver is usually attached to your belt.  They can either hang strait down like the knife sheath or they could be like the competition style that hang down at an angle.  Then there are what I like to call, “Sling Quivers.”  Those are the quivers that you toss over your shoulder, but they hang down at your side.  Now, the Canyon Quiver is a combination of a back quiver and sling quiver.  It does go over your shoulder, but you draw from your side.  The Native Americans use the sling quivers a lot.  Then there’s the pocket quiver that simply fits in your pocket.  Then of course, the bow quiver that you put on your bow.

Ned Miller – Thank you.  I think that will help to visualize a little bit about what we are talking about.  Once we start getting in to all these terms, sometimes it gets a little muddy as to what it is exactly that we’re talking about for somebody that’s new into it.

My perspective on quivers is pretty strait forward to be honest with you.  I have never used a bow quiver.  I use a hip quiver whenever I am practicing in the yard.  I also use a back quiver.  Just a strait, over the shoulder back quiver that sits offset on my right shoulder.  Those are the two quivers that I use.  I use a back quiver when I go hunting.  Now, that being said… I run into difficulty, as Nick was kinda pointing to, when I am in the woods with a back quiver.  I have to always be mindful of those arrows in the quiver whenever I am walking.  Hitting branches, I have to duck down.  I have to remember to put my hand back there to hold them to make sure that I have enough clearance to go through.  So now I am starting to think about using, I am not even sure about the correct terminology, I think it’s called a backpack quiver, or middle of the back quiver.  Where the arrows don’t come up beyond my neck.  In fact to retrieve the arrow, I bring my hand around and pull it from the small of my back.

Nick Viau – Like the Cat Quiver style or the Glen St. Charles style.

Ned Miller – Exactly.  The Cat Quiver style that has a nice little back pack on the top.  The one I’m thinking about is, and Jason and I talked about this already too is making one like that just from leather with some pockets and stuff.  What I find is from a functionality standpoint, pulling that arrow out is a lot easier when you’re hunting in the woods.  I don’t have to worry about clearance, because if my head is going to make it, the back quiver is going to make it through.  At least with this type that I am talking about.

Again, with quiver’s, you would think that it would be something very strait forward and to a new archer, what they see on TV is basically the back quiver.  So that might be all they know or think that there is out there,  Just thinking about the past couple minutes that we’ve been talking, there are tons of choices.  That’s why I think that it is good to get your perspective on it.

Jason Albert – I make quivers constantly.  And just like you bow makers make your bows and your latest bow is always your favorite bow.  That has never been the case for me.  I found the quiver that I wanted.  I like the dual shoulder strap where my quiver sit’s right in the middle of my back and I’ve stuck with that through the whole thing.  I keep making new quivers and they’re awesome quivers, but my quiver has always stayed the same.  I love that, for my, like you said in the woods it’s always right there.  It’s lower than my head so I know if my head is going to make it, the rest of it is going to make it.

Ned Miller – Yeah, It’s really interesting stuff.  That’s good to hear from your perspective as a quiver builder that you can find a style that works for you and stick with it.  Okay Jason, from a retailers standpoint, what do you see as the biggest seller and why do you think that is?

The Ranger Back Quiver

Jason Albert – My biggest seller is the Ranger Quiver.  It’s got the bow holster on there, but the one thing that I get a lot of requests for is more pockets.  So, I think people want to put everything all in one place.  I think that’s the quiver’s job these days.  To store everything they need.

Ned Miller – I think all three of us have talked about that too.  I know Nick, you have too.  You’ve expressed the need for staying light in the woods as far as how much gear we are taking in there with us.

“I find that the more you take into the woods, the more you’re messing with stuff. You’re fidgeting. You’re making more noise. You got more to carry. You’re trying to get adjusted. So I really wanted a quiver that just had enough for me to take a few things.”

Nick Viau and the Canyon Quiver

Nick Viau – Yup.  Last year I went out there with a back pack.  I tried a fanny pack and a bow quiver.  This is all relative to the kind of hunting that you do.  It’s the same with target archery and stuff like that.  If you’re going to buy a quiver, you really have to decide what you are going to do and what works for you.  For my style of hunting, I noticed that I don’t really go that far from where I’m parking.  For the public land that I currently hunt on, I don’t have to do a really big hike to go anywhere.  Even when I hunt at other spots….  I either up-north at my folks house or something like that.  So I really don’t need to go into the woods with a whole lot.  I find that the more you take into the woods, the more you’re messing with stuff.  You’re fidgeting.  You’re making more noise.  You got more to carry.  You’re trying to get adjusted.  So I really wanted a quiver that just had enough for me to take a few things.  Then I have my knife, some freezer bags.  I would go take care of it when I get the deer and I have the time to wait for it.  Then I will just go back to my car and get what I need.  For other people who hunt and they have to hike a long way to their spot that day pack is probably a good way to go.

Ned Miller – Right.  But it’s nice to have those options.  It’s nice to have someone like Jason that’s able to take those different options and put them together from different style quivers.

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Traditional Archery Gear – Quivers and Hunting

Source: Stick & String Adventures Podcast – Episode 28 – Archers Roundtable

The Continuing Conversation between

Pocket Quiver in Action

Ned Miller – Let’s talk about quivers. Quiver building, your recommendations for new archers, and your experiences with quivers so far. Jason, obviously from the name of your business, Rasher Quivers, you are heavily involved with building quivers. I figured that we could start off with you on the quiver topic.

Jason Albert – From a newbie’s perspective, I say, go with what you want. I have three or four different quivers for every situation. I would suggest starting with a pocket quiver. It’s the easiest way to go. It’s pretty versatile. It will get you out there and get you started at a low price.

Ned Miller – That’s interesting that you say that because that wouldn’t have been my first thought, but from what you are saying it makes a lot of sense. What about function with a pocket quiver? Why is that your suggestion?

Jason Albert – Because when you are first starting off you don’t really need the whole kit-n-caboodle. You just need to get out and start shooting. You could just put your arrows in your pocket if you wanted to, but of course the arrows would eventually poke a hole in your pocket.

A pocket quiver is light and it get’s you out and get’s you going until you figure out exactly what quiver you want for the different situations you’ll be shooting.

Ned Miller – Can you touch on a little bit of a functioning standpoint. I mean, you have a back quiver, pocket quiver, side quiver, the backpack style quivers. Anything that a new user should avoid.

Jason Albert – A new user should avoid a bow quiver because they don’t know the basics of tuning yet. I have said on the podcast’s before that I am 100% against a bow quiver. I think that they are the worst thing that anybody could do for their bows and their accuracy.

Ned Miller – Is that coming from personal experience?

 “When I took my shot that quiver made so much noise that the turkey was gone before the arrow even left the bow.”

Jason Albert – Yeah, from personal experience. I went turkey hunting in Texas. It was probably 1993. I was using a compound bow with a bow quiver. It was probably about an eight kilometer hike out to the place that I was going to be hunting. Somehow or another, while I was out there doing that hike, I rattled that bow and it seemed a little bit loose off the quiver. When I took my shot that quiver made so much noise that the turkey was gone before the arrow even left the bow.

Ned Miller – Wow. I can understand what you’re saying then. I guarantee that there are listeners and there’s guys that I run into that are 100% the other way of what you are saying. They would one-hundred percent recommend the bow quiver, but this is the point of The Archer’s Roundtable. That’s to get everybody’s perspective and that’s a very interesting take on the bow quiver.

Jason Albert – You also have to remember the tuning aspect. When you put a bow quiver on your bow, it changes the whole tuning of your bow. It’s going to shoot differently with that bow quiver on it than it is without the bow quiver.

Nick Viau – I agree too. I have used a bow quiver for about three seasons now. I do think they make noise. I think Jason’s argument was a little bit skewed because he was using a compound bow. They do have bow quiver’s for compound bows that are very, very quiet. Other people swear by them so I’m not going to base it on that. He does have a point. They’re noisy in other ways. The one thing I don’t like about them is that they’re great to get to your blind. I’ve always used them to get to where I’m going to hunt and to move, but I always take them off. The reason is that I hold my bow on my lap a lot. Whether your doing that or hanging it up, or whatever your doing, you have that fletchie down there. You can bump it or you can scrape it if it doesn’t sit right on your lap when the bow quiver’s on your bow. There’s just a lot of things that get in the way. Not only that but from a visibility sand point, having all that baggage on your bow while you’re trying to get a shot off on something. That’s more to get in the way and that’s more to see, especially of your arrows are brightly fletched. It becomes kind of cumbersome. I know that a lot of guys swear by them and there’s nothing better for transporting your arrows to your blind. You have them right on your bow while you’re maneuvering your bow through the woods and they don’t go anywhere, but I always found myself taking them off once I get there.

Now the tuning aspect of it isn’t that bad if you account for a couple pounds here and there. You do have to tune for them, like Jason said. So if you are going to shoot one all the time then you better leave it on there, but going on and off is going to adjust it a little bit.

Ned Miller – That’s interesting because I’ve never even used a bow quiver so I have to default to both of you on this one. I just never really had the desire to do that, but it’s interesting to hear both of your takes on this.

Jason Albert – Then you have to remember too that arrows don’t weigh much. However, as you take one arrow out of that bow quiver, your tuning is going to change a little bit. if you take two arrows out of that bow quiver, your tuning again is going to change a little bit.

Ned Miller – That’s a good point. So Jason, you’re recommending the pocket quiver just starting out, but avoiding the bow quiver. Nick is there a particular style of quiver that you’ve had, that you have experience with, that you would recommend to a new archer?

Mentor Pocket Quiver

Nick Viau – I’ve actually been using a pocket quiver. I got a pocket quiver just this year. I own seven different style of quivers right now. I don’t think that there is a perfect quiver for every situation. I started out with one of those seven dollar side quivers that clip to your belt and it’s got a holder for you pen and all that stuff. I started out using one of those and I used it for quite a while. One thing that I did find was that they’re always in your way when you’re shooting. You’re hitting them with your thigh and stuff like that. I prefer a pocket quiver now unless it’s raining. Like Jason said, it’s pretty natural to just want to put the arrow in your pocket so it becomes one of the most convenient quivers that there is if you just stick it in that pocket quiver. It’s the easiest thing in the world to use. They’re also the easiest thing in the world to make if you want to get started with them. You wouldn’t need much. Just something to protect your back pocket. So that’s something to think about.

Ned Miller – What about from a hunting in the woods perspective? What are you using?

Nick Viau – I have tried everything. Like I said, I used a bow quiver for a long time. I liked it until I got to my spot, then I didn’t like it anymore. I shot with my deer with a bow quiver on my bow. It was a Thunderhorn Boa.. I actually sold that shortly after. The only bow quiver I actually like was the Great Northern because it’s got that pole attached to both sides so they don’t get loose if you’re out of arrows. But like Jason said, I got tired of constantly practicing with it. Having one arrow out of it and tuning it and all that other stuff. I just really got tired of the bulk.

I went to tube style quivers this year after finding that back quivers weren’t all that great. I didn’t like back quivers all that much. I was taking them off once I was at my spot. They’re not as easy to carry through the woods as people that use them would have you believe. I do think that if you master them, it’s a good way to hunt. But honestly, I don’t see the advantage of them. If you’re pulling arrows with broadheads out of them, they’re getting hung up on each other. they don’t work very well of small game points unless you’re using a strait up blunt tipped arrow. I never have a second chance at a deer I guess that quickly. I’ve just never seen the advantage.

I went to tube style quivers this year, or a sling quiver. That’s what I’ve always liked. I think those work really, really well. they get through the woods easy. They draw out the side and they keep your arrows relatively safe from the outdoors. You put them next to you and nothing happens. You can keep them quiet really easy too. I’m actually using a Canyon Quiver which I worked with Jason to design. I really, really like it. It’s a tube style and made out of leather. Most of the ones you see are made out of canvas, or some kind of nylon or something like that. I really like it. My dad makes a similar style. It’s more of a 3D quiver made out of PVC and those work really well too.

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DIY .38 Blunt Arrow Tips

A very cool article from Field and Flood about making a blunt tipped arrow head from a .38 shell. I love making things on my own. This is one project that I am going to have to try.

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Tipping an arrow with a spent .38 cartridge is an old trick. It’s a cheap way to blunt your arrows for hunting small game. Some even put nails through the cartridge after it’s glued to the arrow to keep the arrow from burrowing when stump shooting.

Tools needed for tipping a blunt arrow with a .38 cartridge. Tools needed for tipping an arrow with a .38 cartridge: arrow shaft, lighter, hot glue, the cartridge, some pliers, and a cold one in your favorite koozie.

Not long ago I broke a judo off my stumping arrow and was lucky enough to capture it in slow-motion:

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Tuning cheat sheet

We all have those little tools that we carry with us whenever we grab our archery gear and start shooting. This little Arrow Tuning Cheat Sheet would definitely be a huge asset to add to our arsenal. Another great blog from Charles’ Archery Blog!

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Do you have a hard time remembering tuning rules?

I do.

To help myself out I made a reference card that hangs on my quiver. It is helpful when I can’t remember if tightening the spring on my plunger moves the arrow left or right, or if bareshafts left of the fletched group indicate stiff spine or weak spine, etc.

tuning cheat sheet I am right handed so the stuff on this sheet is of course for right handed shooters. There are plenty of rules missing, I just jot the rules I can’t easily remember.

Not all the rules are on this sheet just the stuff I sometimes have to scratch my head a bit to remember.  It saves me having to stop what I’m doing, go inside and look it up. It is also helpful at the range where I don’t want to carry a reference book around or to help somebody out…

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Removing glued in points from carbon arrows

Removing Glued-In field Points from Carbon Arrows. We have all had this problem. Changing our Field tip weight or even just the style of tip we use. It’s always nice to have a clear-cut answer to the problem. Charles Archery Blog really lays it out for us in this blog post.

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I recently had to swap out glued in points from a set of carbon arrows. I was going from lighter points to heavier points to weaken the arrow spine. The arrows points were set in with hot melt glue, so I knew I would have to apply a heat source to the points in order to soften the glue enough to remove them. I checked the internet for options.

I found many suggestions on the web, torch, lighters, and others, but the two methods that caught my eye were offered by Dennis Lieu, archery coach at UC Berkeley, in this article. He suggests using hot water and or a hair dryer as the heat source. This appealed to me as these heat sources seemed more benign than a fire source and I didn’t want to over do it on my first time and risk ruining perfectly good arrows.

I don’t have a hair dryer so the…

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The Summoner Trilogy and The Ranger Quiver


The Ranger Quiver from Rasher Quivers has been featured on the cover of the book, “The Inquisition.”  This book is Part 2 of the the Summoner Trilogy Series by Taran Matharu.  It is a New York Times bestseller and a Publishers Weekly bestseller.

The first book in this series, “The Novice,” is also a New York Times bestseller. The third book “The Battlemage” is the epic conclusion to The Summoner Trilogy.

Follow the young hero, Fletcher, as he works his way from being a blacksmith’s apprentice to a Battlemage in this epic series of adventures.

Get the Ranger Back Quiver that Fletcher used on his adventures only at Rasher Quivers

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Organizing Leather Craft Stamping Tools



BONUS TIP:  When working at your bench, use a pill bottle to store all the leather stamps that you are using.  This keeps them from rolling all over your table and getting in the way.  It also makes it easier to find the tool that you are looking for.


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